Comments on: Packing 72 Hour Kits and don’t forget the ammunition. http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/ Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:28:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Rob http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43586 Rob Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:49:47 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43586 I'm sorry, I don't need a weapon to defend my 72 hour kit. Wal-mart would be the first target in such an emergency and by the time they got through raiding the wal-marts my 72 hour kit would be depleted. I’m sorry, I don’t need a weapon to defend my 72 hour kit. Wal-mart would be the first target in such an emergency and by the time they got through raiding the wal-marts my 72 hour kit would be depleted.

]]> By: K. A. Peterson http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43585 K. A. Peterson Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:53:31 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43585 I remember being a recent convert in the 70's and my father got started collecting food storage. Among this collection arouse the debate of fire arms, he and his brother had. I personally am greatful that he didn't fall into that way of thinking. My feeling has been that they were speaking out of fear. We all know where that comes from. The Lord takes care of those who take care of themselves yes! So, get yourself prepared in ALWAYS and if you feel prompted to prepare in that way it would be fine, but if you are making that decision do to fear, that would be wrong! I remember being a recent convert in the 70′s and my father got started collecting food storage. Among this collection arouse the debate of fire arms, he and his brother had. I personally am greatful that he didn’t fall into that way of thinking. My feeling has been that they were speaking out of fear. We all know where that comes from.

The Lord takes care of those who take care of themselves yes! So, get yourself prepared in ALWAYS and if you feel prompted to prepare in that way it would be fine, but if you are making that decision do to fear, that would be wrong!

]]> By: Bob http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43584 Bob Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:06:44 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43584 WWJS: Who Would Jesus Shoot? WWJS: Who Would Jesus Shoot?

]]> By: Craig http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43583 Craig Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:13:36 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43583 Well reasoned and stated! Although you must have never seen my waffle Iron. If anything qualifies for demonization it does! Well reasoned and stated!

Although you must have never seen my waffle Iron. If anything qualifies for demonization it does!

]]> By: DB http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43582 DB Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:09:22 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43582 I must say that I get a little disheartened when I hear folks, especially ladies, state categorically and usually defiantly that they will never own firearms,don't like them,could never use one defensively and that others should think just like they do. Firearms are tools. They serve a relatively narrow spectrum of tasks, but they are tools none the less. Like any piece of mechanical equipment, their utility increases when the user keeps them in good repair and is knowledgable in their function and use. They are inanimate objects, not magical talismen. While the media has done much to "demonize" firearms, no implement, be it a pistol,a hammer, a shovel or a waffle iron is capable of acting like a "demon." Those individuals who commit crimes or recklessly endanger the lives of others are the real issue. Individuals are human beings, who may choose right or wrong, and who may decide to do dangerous things. Sometimes this includes using some type of tool (like a gun) to a bad end. Sometimes they get together, in gangs or even armies, and leverage their effectiveness. Modern societies have delegated a large portion of the function which deals with these people to various law enforcement ("police") and military organizations. However, like any critical task, the individual, as a Citizen, still retains a key role. Public safety agencies (at least in the United States) do not have a legal duty to protect individuals from criminals. They may deter crime, solve some after the fact and intervene in a few, but the fact remains that if you are confronted with a determined law breaker that is threatening you or your property, you will likely be on your own for at least a short period of time. Now graft the situation outlined above onto an emrgency situation. It is likely that the crime deterence, intervention and investigation functions of the "police" will be hampered and diminished to a significant degree, perhaps totally. In this scenario, the individual, or perhaps family or congregation must assume the self-defense function as there is no organization capable of accepting this usually delegated function; whether we like it or not. There is also a spiritual dimension to this problem that I do not see addressed very often. Heads of Household,be they men or women,are expected to "provide" for their families. That function must include the provision of a safe living environment, to the best of their abilities. Everybody's situation is different, but I trully doubt that the Lord thinks mouthing phrases heard in the popular media like "the threat is overrated," "guns are too dangerous to have around," etc is sufficient study and deliberation on this critical subject. If all things are of a spiritual nature to the Lord, do you honestly think he gives us a pass on the well-being and physical safety of our loved ones? Perhaps the real question becomes "In an emergency,would you rather be surrounded by people who are familiar with and competent in the use of safety equipment, be it a gun, a two way radio or a first aid kit, or those who are afraid of it?" I must say that I get a little disheartened when I hear folks, especially ladies, state categorically and usually defiantly that they will never own firearms,don’t like them,could never use one defensively and that others should think just like they do.

Firearms are tools. They serve a relatively narrow spectrum of tasks, but they are tools none the less. Like any piece of mechanical equipment, their utility increases when the user keeps them in good repair and is knowledgable in their function and use. They are inanimate objects, not magical talismen.

While the media has done much to “demonize” firearms, no implement, be it a pistol,a hammer, a shovel or a waffle iron is capable of acting like a “demon.” Those individuals who commit crimes or recklessly endanger the lives of others are the real issue. Individuals are human beings, who may choose right or wrong, and who may decide to do dangerous things. Sometimes this includes using some type of tool (like a gun) to a bad end. Sometimes they get together, in gangs or even armies, and leverage their effectiveness. Modern societies have delegated a large portion of the function which deals with these people to various law enforcement (“police”) and military organizations. However, like any critical task, the individual, as a Citizen, still retains a key role. Public safety agencies (at least in the United States) do not have a legal duty to protect individuals from criminals. They may deter crime, solve some after the fact and intervene in a few, but the fact remains that if you are confronted with a determined law breaker that is threatening you or your property, you will likely be on your own for at least a short period of time.

Now graft the situation outlined above onto an emrgency situation. It is likely that the crime deterence, intervention and investigation functions of the “police” will be hampered and diminished to a significant degree, perhaps totally. In this scenario, the individual, or perhaps family or congregation must assume the self-defense function as there is no organization capable of accepting this usually delegated function; whether we like it or not.

There is also a spiritual dimension to this problem that I do not see addressed very often. Heads of Household,be they men or women,are expected to “provide” for their families. That function must include the provision of a safe living environment, to the best of their abilities. Everybody’s situation is different, but I trully doubt that the Lord thinks mouthing phrases heard in the popular media like “the threat is overrated,” “guns are too dangerous to have around,” etc is sufficient study and deliberation on this critical subject. If all things are of a spiritual nature to the Lord, do you honestly think he gives us a pass on the well-being and physical safety of our loved ones?

Perhaps the real question becomes “In an emergency,would you rather be surrounded by people who are familiar with and competent in the use of safety equipment, be it a gun, a two way radio or a first aid kit, or those who are afraid of it?”

]]> By: Steve H http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43581 Steve H Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:45:13 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43581 It seems that so far the discussion here has come down to killing vs. sharing, and I think this paints a false dichotomy. The rape scenario is another thing entirely. I think most of us would be willing to do whatever it tok to defend our familie from that kind of attack, but I'm not sure how big of a threat that would be in most emergency situations--perhaps I'm naive. As far as protecting my food, a few thoughts: 1st--It would be hard to carry what my family and I need to go 72 hours. I can't imagine carrying enough that I'd have enough to hand out to everyone I meet. I agree that food storage is to be shared. I know of a woman who got teased about her year's supply until a hurricane hit and she fed much of the neighborhood for a week. 2nd--I can't believe that the guy who comes to you with a gun to steal your family's food supply is going to share in return--even if you are carrying twice what you need. The person in that situation is going to take what they can get. I don't see why that person should live and my family should die. For me this has always been the difficulty with pacifism, though it has its allure--while might doesn't make right, what if only the evil were willing to use force? 3rd--I'm not as sure about this one, but does the parable of the ten virgins have applicability here? If I've prepared, does that not entitle me at all to the fruits of my preparation? If not, then what we are saying is that preparation can never be effective. I can say, hey, I have enough resources to provide that in an emergency my family will survive long enough to get out. So does my neighbor. But he doesn't prepare. Instead, he takes my supplies when the disaster strikes. Hardly seems just. On the other hand I would say that I would have a hard time watching someone starve that was asking me, peacefully, for my aid, even if that meant my family suffered. On the other other hand, when does the principle of preparation take hold and when does the principle of mercy apply. I don't think it's as simple as it might seem. I would like to have the gun, though; the bad guys will have them. I want the ability to make that complicated decision when it comes up. Scott, Everything is an opportunity to pull a trigger. I hope you do decide not to sometimes, or I'll never come to your place for dinner. ;) It seems that so far the discussion here has come down to killing vs. sharing, and I think this paints a false dichotomy. The rape scenario is another thing entirely. I think most of us would be willing to do whatever it tok to defend our familie from that kind of attack, but I’m not sure how big of a threat that would be in most emergency situations–perhaps I’m naive.
As far as protecting my food, a few thoughts:
1st–It would be hard to carry what my family and I need to go 72 hours. I can’t imagine carrying enough that I’d have enough to hand out to everyone I meet. I agree that food storage is to be shared. I know of a woman who got teased about her year’s supply until a hurricane hit and she fed much of the neighborhood for a week.
2nd–I can’t believe that the guy who comes to you with a gun to steal your family’s food supply is going to share in return–even if you are carrying twice what you need. The person in that situation is going to take what they can get. I don’t see why that person should live and my family should die. For me this has always been the difficulty with pacifism, though it has its allure–while might doesn’t make right, what if only the evil were willing to use force?
3rd–I’m not as sure about this one, but does the parable of the ten virgins have applicability here? If I’ve prepared, does that not entitle me at all to the fruits of my preparation? If not, then what we are saying is that preparation can never be effective. I can say, hey, I have enough resources to provide that in an emergency my family will survive long enough to get out. So does my neighbor. But he doesn’t prepare. Instead, he takes my supplies when the disaster strikes. Hardly seems just. On the other hand I would say that I would have a hard time watching someone starve that was asking me, peacefully, for my aid, even if that meant my family suffered. On the other other hand, when does the principle of preparation take hold and when does the principle of mercy apply. I don’t think it’s as simple as it might seem.
I would like to have the gun, though; the bad guys will have them. I want the ability to make that complicated decision when it comes up.
Scott,
Everything is an opportunity to pull a trigger. I hope you do decide not to sometimes, or I’ll never come to your place for dinner. ;)

]]> By: annegb http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43580 annegb Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:02:34 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43580 You know, Scott, we in America would think that an unlikely scenario, while many people in other countries have lived that particular nightmare. However, we are speaking in hypotheticals, which is way easier than experience. Personally, I would think, have the gun on hand and loaded and be prepared to share with my neighbors. Even if it meant death to my family. I couldn't feed my children when there are starving children next door. Now, rape, that's another story. If someone were threatening to rape my daughter, I would find a weapon. You know, Scott, we in America would think that an unlikely scenario, while many people in other countries have lived that particular nightmare.

However, we are speaking in hypotheticals, which is way easier than experience.

Personally, I would think, have the gun on hand and loaded and be prepared to share with my neighbors. Even if it meant death to my family. I couldn’t feed my children when there are starving children next door. Now, rape, that’s another story. If someone were threatening to rape my daughter, I would find a weapon.

]]> By: Scott Bishop http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43579 Scott Bishop Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:04:36 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43579 (In response to #1-35) Personally I think that it takes a person who is either (a) very callous, or (b) very ignorant about the world we live in, to suggest that firearms ownership, or at least access to a firearm, would be a bad thing under the circumstances we live in today, whether we find ourselves in an emergency situation or not. The Second Amendment does not protect our right to keep and bear arms for hunting or sporting purposes (though that is a nice side-effect). It protects our right because sometimes government does overstep its bounds if not kept in check. "Government" does not need to refer to the "government" that we vote on and support. It can also refer to the "governments of men" such as gangs, etc. Personally, I think it irresponsible for a father, husband, neighbor, etc. (just including every able man here), who is able to own a firearm, not to own one. To do so is to attempt to relegate that person's human responsibility to protect the sanctity or life around him from the affects or murderers, rapists, etc. This argument should never be about someone robbing you or your food, though that may happen (hey, with a firearm you at least get to have a chance at making it your choice). This argument should be about what that robber may decide to turn into when they see your beautiful wife, daughter, neighbor girl down the street, etc. Is life such that we can not protect the sanctity of it? You don't know how to use a firearm? There are many who will gladly show you and teach you. You don't know how you would store it with children in the house? There are many ways, and people have been doing it since firearms where invented. You think a sword is better? Keep thinking that when you're 20 feet away from someone with a firearm pointed at your daughter's temple telling you to put down your sword or he'll rape her anyway. You think a firearm wouldn't do you any good except to hunt extra food? Do you really want to find out if that's the only time a firearm just "might" come in handy? Come on people! The arguments and discussions that I just read on here are taught to us be a liberal media and government that doesn't want us to have any control and/or say in our own future and what will happen to us. Would Jesus use a firearm? Well, maybe not if he has (and obviously he does... just ask those of Sodom) the ZOT power (as one poster put it). Well, if I had the ZOT power, I wouldn't bother with firearms either, but since I don't I want access to whatever I can get my hands on that will protect my family best, and frankly right now that's a firearm (along with righteous living, the Priesthood, etc., but definitely including a firearm). Am I worried about someone stealing my food, water, fuel, clothing, etc.? No. Otherwise I would never leave the house, even to attend church. What I am concerned about is that someday I may be faced with a situation of watching my wife (daughter, neighborhood girl, etc.) being tortured, raped, murdered in front of my eyes and not being able to do anything about it, where with a little preparation I could have stopped it. I don't believe that it would be God's will, and I couldn't live with myself being such a lousy protector. Could you? At least give yourself the choice at that vital moment. If you are willing to sacrifice protection of your food, water, fuel, clothing, etc. then you have necessarily weakened protection of every other area of your preparedness to some degree. Personally, yes, I have decided that I can pull that trigger if/when the time comes. There may be some of those times that I choose not to. Some people even venture to say that they wish that all firearms, even from bad men, could be removed from this world. I say that is (a) impossible now, and (b) a bad idea. Before firearms were invented it was just the biggest bully that got his way or the biggest gang of bullies, etc. I wouldn't want to go back to those odds. Okay, now I'm just rambling. Can't decide which side of the debate I'm on? Let me know. I'll tell you. ;) (In response to #1-35)

Personally I think that it takes a person who is either (a) very callous, or (b) very ignorant about the world we live in, to suggest that firearms ownership, or at least access to a firearm, would be a bad thing under the circumstances we live in today, whether we find ourselves in an emergency situation or not.

The Second Amendment does not protect our right to keep and bear arms for hunting or sporting purposes (though that is a nice side-effect). It protects our right because sometimes government does overstep its bounds if not kept in check. “Government” does not need to refer to the “government” that we vote on and support. It can also refer to the “governments of men” such as gangs, etc.

Personally, I think it irresponsible for a father, husband, neighbor, etc. (just including every able man here), who is able to own a firearm, not to own one. To do so is to attempt to relegate that person’s human responsibility to protect the sanctity or life around him from the affects or murderers, rapists, etc. This argument should never be about someone robbing you or your food, though that may happen (hey, with a firearm you at least get to have a chance at making it your choice). This argument should be about what that robber may decide to turn into when they see your beautiful wife, daughter, neighbor girl down the street, etc. Is life such that we can not protect the sanctity of it?

You don’t know how to use a firearm? There are many who will gladly show you and teach you.

You don’t know how you would store it with children in the house? There are many ways, and people have been doing it since firearms where invented.

You think a sword is better? Keep thinking that when you’re 20 feet away from someone with a firearm pointed at your daughter’s temple telling you to put down your sword or he’ll rape her anyway.

You think a firearm wouldn’t do you any good except to hunt extra food? Do you really want to find out if that’s the only time a firearm just “might” come in handy?

Come on people! The arguments and discussions that I just read on here are taught to us be a liberal media and government that doesn’t want us to have any control and/or say in our own future and what will happen to us.

Would Jesus use a firearm? Well, maybe not if he has (and obviously he does… just ask those of Sodom) the ZOT power (as one poster put it). Well, if I had the ZOT power, I wouldn’t bother with firearms either, but since I don’t I want access to whatever I can get my hands on that will protect my family best, and frankly right now that’s a firearm (along with righteous living, the Priesthood, etc., but definitely including a firearm).

Am I worried about someone stealing my food, water, fuel, clothing, etc.? No. Otherwise I would never leave the house, even to attend church. What I am concerned about is that someday I may be faced with a situation of watching my wife (daughter, neighborhood girl, etc.) being tortured, raped, murdered in front of my eyes and not being able to do anything about it, where with a little preparation I could have stopped it.

I don’t believe that it would be God’s will, and I couldn’t live with myself being such a lousy protector. Could you?

At least give yourself the choice at that vital moment. If you are willing to sacrifice protection of your food, water, fuel, clothing, etc. then you have necessarily weakened protection of every other area of your preparedness to some degree.

Personally, yes, I have decided that I can pull that trigger if/when the time comes. There may be some of those times that I choose not to.

Some people even venture to say that they wish that all firearms, even from bad men, could be removed from this world. I say that is (a) impossible now, and (b) a bad idea. Before firearms were invented it was just the biggest bully that got his way or the biggest gang of bullies, etc. I wouldn’t want to go back to those odds.

Okay, now I’m just rambling. Can’t decide which side of the debate I’m on? Let me know. I’ll tell you. ;)

]]> By: inactive http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43578 inactive Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:05:00 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43578 In any prolonged survival/apocalyptic situation the average thug will get very hungry/thirsty. If the word is out that you may have food,water,etc., (and it will get out by your actions if nothing else)they will come. NO-ONE, will take these life sustaining supplies from my wife,children,or myself, against our will. If they choose to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their behaviour, so be it, it was their choice. I truly hope it would not come to this, but I will do my best, rather than do nothing, to protect my family. I will be more than willing to share with others, but it will be our choice to do so. A firearm is not just defensive, but will an invaluable tool in hunting, to provide aditional food to supliment your stored foods. If properly stored, your children will be safe. Teach them how to safely use them at an apropriate age so they are not overly curious about them and can learn respect for them. Swords are great,(really), but a thugs rusty pistol has you beat. Must we be reminded that, God helps he who helps himself. Good luck. In any prolonged survival/apocalyptic situation the average thug will get very hungry/thirsty. If the word is out that you may have food,water,etc., (and it will get out by your actions if nothing else)they will come.

NO-ONE, will take these life sustaining supplies from my wife,children,or myself, against our will. If they choose to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their behaviour, so be it, it was their choice. I truly hope it would not come to this, but I will do my best, rather than do nothing, to protect my family. I will be more than willing to share with others, but it will be our choice to do so.

A firearm is not just defensive, but will an invaluable tool in hunting, to provide aditional food to supliment your stored foods. If properly stored, your children will be safe. Teach them how to safely use them at an apropriate age so they are not overly curious about them and can learn respect for them. Swords are great,(really), but a thugs rusty pistol has you beat.

Must we be reminded that, God helps he who helps himself. Good luck.

]]> By: Craig http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43577 Craig Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:07:52 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/72-hour-kits/#comment-43577 Reference comments 22-27 I dont think Jesus would need a gun...ZOT! Reference comments 22-27

I dont think Jesus would need a gun…ZOT!

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