Comments on: The Evolution of Anointing the Sick http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/ Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:04:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: J. Stapley http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42919 J. Stapley Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:15:52 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42919 ...I should also note that in the 19th century and early 20th century, it was quite common to anoint and speak a blessing while actually anointing the head or other afflicted area. …I should also note that in the 19th century and early 20th century, it was quite common to anoint and speak a blessing while actually anointing the head or other afflicted area.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42918 J. Stapley Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:07:03 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42918 Thanks for stopping by, Mike. I'm curious how women anointing fits into your perspective here (women repeatedly were instructed by the first presidency to anoint the sick and bless them until the early 1900's). Thanks for stopping by, Mike. I’m curious how women anointing fits into your perspective here (women repeatedly were instructed by the first presidency to anoint the sick and bless them until the early 1900’s).

]]> By: Mike Booth http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42917 Mike Booth Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:36:57 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42917 The thing is that anointing with consecrated oil is an ordinance that is separate and apart from the healing. The anointing is sealed under the hand of the priesthood bearer and is made relevant to the purpose of the ministration during that priesthood ordinance. The anointing is of significance in that it denotes symbolically the designation of the person as one who is selected or approved of by The Lord to receive a blessing pertinent to their needs. That a priesthood bearer makes that selection or designation on behalf of The Lord is fitting in that his carriage of priesthood authority provides for him to act in the name of The Lord in such matters. As priesthood bearers we should choose wisely whom we anoint so as to not offend our right to use the priesthood by acting against the impressions of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost gives power in the use of the authority being utilised by telling the priesthood bearer what to do and to say. That is what is meant when it is said in scripture that priesthood bearers act by the power of the Holy Ghost. The power lies in the direction given from the Godhead through the ministering of the Holy Ghost to the authorised priesthood bearer. What results from the administration ordinance is another matter. It will be as The Lord would have it be in each individual situation. Priesthood bearers are blessed to be able to prophesy what will come about as they successfully listen to the Holy Ghost and speak what they hear during the sealing part of the ordinance. It is not them that heals (if healing there is) but The Lord. They are the hands and the voice only. All other matters pertaining to the faith and worthiness of the priesthood bearer and the faith of the recipient or their friends are a separate matter. That they influence the outcome is only so in that The Lord rewards faith in His name and faithfulness in serving Him and He is capable of being influenced by prayer, supplication, righteous living, the weighing of justice and equity, and other situations that argue this way or that. The fact of the ordinance of anointing and sealing invokes His involvement more urgently that perhaps would otherwise have been the case. But let us not be under any illusion that we are ought but obedient and faithful servants and supplicants in the matter. Resolution is His alone, though all can be assured that He will act one way or another once the anointing has been appropriately made. This is simple to understand but not simple to express. I have benefited from reading this discussion thread. Thank you. The thing is that anointing with consecrated oil is an ordinance that is separate and apart from the healing.
The anointing is sealed under the hand of the priesthood bearer and is made relevant to the purpose of the ministration during that priesthood ordinance.
The anointing is of significance in that it denotes symbolically the designation of the person as one who is selected or approved of by The Lord to receive a blessing pertinent to their needs.
That a priesthood bearer makes that selection or designation on behalf of The Lord is fitting in that his carriage of priesthood authority provides for him to act in the name of The Lord in such matters.
As priesthood bearers we should choose wisely whom we anoint so as to not offend our right to use the priesthood by acting against the impressions of the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost gives power in the use of the authority being utilised by telling the priesthood bearer what to do and to say. That is what is meant when it is said in scripture that priesthood bearers act by the power of the Holy Ghost. The power lies in the direction given from the Godhead through the ministering of the Holy Ghost to the authorised priesthood bearer.
What results from the administration ordinance is another matter. It will be as The Lord would have it be in each individual situation.
Priesthood bearers are blessed to be able to prophesy what will come about as they successfully listen to the Holy Ghost and speak what they hear during the sealing part of the ordinance. It is not them that heals (if healing there is) but The Lord. They are the hands and the voice only.
All other matters pertaining to the faith and worthiness of the priesthood bearer and the faith of the recipient or their friends are a separate matter.
That they influence the outcome is only so in that The Lord rewards faith in His name and faithfulness in serving Him and He is capable of being influenced by prayer, supplication, righteous living, the weighing of justice and equity, and other situations that argue this way or that.
The fact of the ordinance of anointing and sealing invokes His involvement more urgently that perhaps would otherwise have been the case.
But let us not be under any illusion that we are ought but obedient and faithful servants and supplicants in the matter. Resolution is His alone, though all can be assured that He will act one way or another once the anointing has been appropriately made.
This is simple to understand but not simple to express. I have benefited from reading this discussion thread. Thank you.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42901 J. Stapley Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:27:28 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42901 Theresa P. - It sounds like you are talking about the Catholic <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05716a.htm" rel="nofollow">sacrament of anointing the sick</a>. I admit to not knowing much beyond the rudimentary in this area. The Catholic encyclopedia I linked to has a lengthy and erudite entry, however. Theresa P. – It sounds like you are talking about the Catholic sacrament of anointing the sick. I admit to not knowing much beyond the rudimentary in this area. The Catholic encyclopedia I linked to has a lengthy and erudite entry, however.

]]> By: Theresa P http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42900 Theresa P Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:21:28 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42900 Considering the multiple perspectives from this discussion about annointing the sick, could someone possibly elaborate on an observed situation? Upon exiting a hospital facility with an unused bottle (intended for an unfound recipient's annointing), an Elder knelt in front of a trashcan and signed to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Then, the Elder dispensed of the bottle in the trashcan. My question pertains to the transferring of the annointing to the individual (without physicial presence, via Holy Spirit, etc) or having to be in the presence and physicially laying hands on the individual. What teachings apply to supporting this practice? -Terry Considering the multiple perspectives from this discussion about annointing the sick, could someone possibly elaborate on an observed situation?

Upon exiting a hospital facility with an unused bottle (intended for an unfound recipient’s annointing), an Elder knelt in front of a trashcan and signed to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Then, the Elder dispensed of the bottle in the trashcan.

My question pertains to the transferring of the annointing to the individual (without physicial presence, via Holy Spirit, etc) or having to be in the presence and physicially laying hands on the individual. What teachings apply to supporting this practice?
-Terry

]]> By: Justin H http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42905 Justin H Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:25:22 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42905 N Miller: <blockquote>May I state that I enjoy this Blog more than most in the Bloggernacle. Although I learn in the others, it seems like it is more about arguing than using each other in discussion format to come to a consensus about a particular subject.</blockquote> Amen. N Miller:
May I state that I enjoy this Blog more than most in the Bloggernacle. Although I learn in the others, it seems like it is more about arguing than using each other in discussion format to come to a consensus about a particular subject.

Amen.

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42904 Stephen M (Ethesis) Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:42:56 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42904 BTW, if you use the plastic bottles missionaries used to carry, squeeze the air out of them, and store them in a dark, cool place, they last a long time. I have one in my refrigerator that is still good that dates back to my mission in the 70s. If you leave air in them and expose them to light, you are lucky to have them last a year or two. Just a practical note. BTW, if you use the plastic bottles missionaries used to carry, squeeze the air out of them, and store them in a dark, cool place, they last a long time.

I have one in my refrigerator that is still good that dates back to my mission in the 70s.

If you leave air in them and expose them to light, you are lucky to have them last a year or two.

Just a practical note.

]]> By: S. Hancock http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42916 S. Hancock Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:42:54 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42916 I would suggest that we are conflating the priesthood with the gifts of the spirit. If the person being blessed has "the faith to be healed" I believe it will happen. Yes, there is the gift of the faith to heal and the gift of the faith to be healed. I believe that these can happen without priesthood if need be. In our time, I can't think but that we have been asked to seek healing through the ordinance of annointing the sick if this is at all possible. The other thing I think we totally have lost is the sense that annointing is a good thing in itself. That is, Aaron would have felt it a great blessing to have his head annointed, as anointing the head with oil was a grooming thing as well, no? Oil would have also been much more precious than it is now--I can buy extra virgin oil without breaking the bank. I would suggest that we are conflating the priesthood with the gifts of the spirit. If the person being blessed has “the faith to be healed” I believe it will happen.
Yes, there is the gift of the faith to heal and the gift of the faith to be healed. I believe that these can happen without priesthood if need be. In our time, I can’t think but that we have been asked to seek healing through the ordinance of annointing the sick if this is at all possible.
The other thing I think we totally have lost is the sense that annointing is a good thing in itself. That is, Aaron would have felt it a great blessing to have his head annointed, as anointing the head with oil was a grooming thing as well, no? Oil would have also been much more precious than it is now–I can buy extra virgin oil without breaking the bank.

]]> By: N Miller http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42915 N Miller Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:18:23 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42915 Agreed. May I state that I enjoy this Blog more than most in the Bloggernacle. Although I learn in the others, it seems like it is more about arguing than using each other in discussion format to come to a consensus about a particular subject. (I am happy to participate in the other blogs, I think it strengthens my critical thinking abilities and from time to time adds to my knowledge.) You have thought provoking questions that you pose and as comments come in, they seem to add to the discussion and add to the understanding of the concept, at least to my understanding. I don't know if that is what was intended in your Blog, but I enjoy it. Keep up the great postings and comments!! Agreed.

May I state that I enjoy this Blog more than most in the Bloggernacle. Although I learn in the others, it seems like it is more about arguing than using each other in discussion format to come to a consensus about a particular subject. (I am happy to participate in the other blogs, I think it strengthens my critical thinking abilities and from time to time adds to my knowledge.) You have thought provoking questions that you pose and as comments come in, they seem to add to the discussion and add to the understanding of the concept, at least to my understanding. I don’t know if that is what was intended in your Blog, but I enjoy it. Keep up the great postings and comments!!

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/comment-page-1/#comment-42914 J. Stapley Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:10:53 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/annointing/#comment-42914 The prayer states: "we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread" In a priesthood blessing, one typically says "I/we bless you". But I do think you may be on to something. It seems like it falls under the purview of the Aaronic priesthood (i.e., the Bishop), because they are the ones with the keys to mediate the covenant. I don't think the prayer is a blessing in the priesthood sense. The prayer states: “we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread” In a priesthood blessing, one typically says “I/we bless you”. But I do think you may be on to something. It seems like it falls under the purview of the Aaronic priesthood (i.e., the Bishop), because they are the ones with the keys to mediate the covenant. I don’t think the prayer is a blessing in the priesthood sense.

]]>