Comments on: Its a Jungle Out There (or wild monkeys in the halls at church) http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/ Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:33:46 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Kim Siever http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44671 Kim Siever Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:37:05 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44671 This sounds a lot like what may be causing the idea among many young parents that they can't wait until their child goes to Nursery. This sounds a lot like what may be causing the idea among many young parents that they can’t wait until their child goes to Nursery.

]]> By: Susan M http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44668 Susan M Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:43:35 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44668 I think parents in general are much more overprotective of their kids than they used to be. Or maybe I should say, many parents are way more overprotective of their kids than I am of mine. I think parents in general are much more overprotective of their kids than they used to be. Or maybe I should say, many parents are way more overprotective of their kids than I am of mine.

]]> By: Craig http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44670 Craig Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:18:12 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44670 <em>Mea culpa</em> I must admit that my conclusions were based on anecdotal evidence, but society does seem to be headed that way. People ARE becoming less responsible for their own actions and heaping the responsibility upon society. Whether for health care or education, discipline or work. I guess it kindof goes back to the free-rider discussion we have had here in the past. There are those people (and I think an increasing number of them) who wish to gain the benefits from society without contributing to the costs. Mea culpa

I must admit that my conclusions were based on anecdotal evidence, but society does seem to be headed that way. People ARE becoming less responsible for their own actions and heaping the responsibility upon society. Whether for health care or education, discipline or work.

I guess it kindof goes back to the free-rider discussion we have had here in the past. There are those people (and I think an increasing number of them) who wish to gain the benefits from society without contributing to the costs.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44669 Jordan Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:40:26 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44669 <i>The problem is, there seems to be a growing feeling that parents responsibilities end at the door.</i> Do you REALLY think this, Craig? Come on, there are free-loading parents in every institution in America- kind of like the Thernardiers but less villainous. But my perception at church has been that most parents are very involved with their children, and don't just check that responsibility at the door. Your horrible experience with that very bratty young man (and his unconcerned mother) made my blood boil because I CANNOT STAND young men like this, or parents who don't give a damn. But can you really claim that this rotten experience is symptomatic of a "growing feeling that parents' responsibilities end at the door"? Methinks you judge too quickly here based on too little evidence. Every ward has its rotten kids or its free-loading parents, but that does not indicate some sort of a trend to me. Only that people are people, and in any organization they stratify into the Craigs or the Thernardiers of society, and everything in between. The problem is, there seems to be a growing feeling that parents responsibilities end at the door.

Do you REALLY think this, Craig? Come on, there are free-loading parents in every institution in America- kind of like the Thernardiers but less villainous. But my perception at church has been that most parents are very involved with their children, and don’t just check that responsibility at the door.

Your horrible experience with that very bratty young man (and his unconcerned mother) made my blood boil because I CANNOT STAND young men like this, or parents who don’t give a damn. But can you really claim that this rotten experience is symptomatic of a “growing feeling that parents’ responsibilities end at the door”?

Methinks you judge too quickly here based on too little evidence. Every ward has its rotten kids or its free-loading parents, but that does not indicate some sort of a trend to me. Only that people are people, and in any organization they stratify into the Craigs or the Thernardiers of society, and everything in between.

]]> By: JennyW http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44667 JennyW Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:07:29 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44667 Hall runners are one thing, but over the top rudeness and meanness are what really get me. Just last week my poor young women saw a side of me that I had hitherto successfully kept secret for the past two years: a group of (unknown) young men entered the church during our basketball practise and proceeded to make mean, disparging remarks about my young women when they discovered that the gym was, indeed, occupied by a legitimate activity. I lost it, handed my toddler to one of the girls, and proceeded to throw the boys out, complete with controlled angry voice, glaring eyes, one slammed door, and clear (but clean) gestures ... Hall runners are one thing, but over the top rudeness and meanness are what really get me. Just last week my poor young women saw a side of me that I had hitherto successfully kept secret for the past two years: a group of (unknown) young men entered the church during our basketball practise and proceeded to make mean, disparging remarks about my young women when they discovered that the gym was, indeed, occupied by a legitimate activity. I lost it, handed my toddler to one of the girls, and proceeded to throw the boys out, complete with controlled angry voice, glaring eyes, one slammed door, and clear (but clean) gestures …

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44666 J. Stapley Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:35:27 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44666 Ah, yes. Hall runners. You know, I had good parents and ended out running through my fair share of hallways. That said, and despite their volition to act likewise, we do our best to keep our boys from doing so. I think you are correct that there is systemic abdication of responsibility. Fortunately, in most the wards in which I have lived, it hasn't been much of a problem. Ah, yes. Hall runners. You know, I had good parents and ended out running through my fair share of hallways. That said, and despite their volition to act likewise, we do our best to keep our boys from doing so.

I think you are correct that there is systemic abdication of responsibility. Fortunately, in most the wards in which I have lived, it hasn’t been much of a problem.

]]> By: Alexander http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44665 Alexander Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:57:04 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44665 less than 6 years. Apparently there is a limit to what I can write in a post so let me finish my last and add a few more words that I thought on. This is the "lack of responsibility" syndrome seen in the U.S. in general where no one is willing to take personal responsibility for their (or their children's) actions. Its not Johny's fault he can't sit still, its biological and he needs drugs. It's not my fault Jane won't sit with me in sacrament meeting, .... less than 6 years.

Apparently there is a limit to what I can write in a post so let me finish my last and add a few more words that I thought on.

This is the “lack of responsibility” syndrome seen in the U.S. in general where no one is willing to take personal responsibility for their (or their children’s) actions. Its not Johny’s fault he can’t sit still, its biological and he needs drugs. It’s not my fault Jane won’t sit with me in sacrament meeting, ….

]]> By: Alexander http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/comment-page-1/#comment-44664 Alexander Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:52:09 +0000 http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/its-a-jungle-out-there-or-wild-monkeys-in-the-halls-at-church/#comment-44664 Well I am glad that I am not the only one with a similar rant. I have a hard enough time with letting children walk the halls during church even when they are 'behaving' (as my belief is that they should be attending church). For a time, we had members who would drop off their children regularly for mutual and then return when it was over. Note that I said children and not then young men/women. Primary age children were being dropped off as if it was a babysitting service. I've heard about families becoming inactive because they were told that they couldn't use the church as a babysitting service. Or possibly better yet, the parent that nods their head, and then turns around and does it again the next week. My last ward was a similar winner. During ward activities, the adults would congregate in the gym (does anyone call them cultural halls anymore?) while their children ran wild in the halls. Then I would get yelled at (literally) by the bishop if I 1) asked the children to calm down, 2) told the parents that their children were acting improperly (like jumping out the windows) or 3) required that my children stayed with me during the activity and not run off. (at the time my kids and most of the ward were aged Well I am glad that I am not the only one with a similar rant. I have a hard enough time with letting children walk the halls during church even when they are ‘behaving’ (as my belief is that they should be attending church). For a time, we had members who would drop off their children regularly for mutual and then return when it was over. Note that I said children and not then young men/women. Primary age children were being dropped off as if it was a babysitting service. I’ve heard about families becoming inactive because they were told that they couldn’t use the church as a babysitting service. Or possibly better yet, the parent that nods their head, and then turns around and does it again the next week.

My last ward was a similar winner. During ward activities, the adults would congregate in the gym (does anyone call them cultural halls anymore?) while their children ran wild in the halls. Then I would get yelled at (literally) by the bishop if I 1) asked the children to calm down, 2) told the parents that their children were acting improperly (like jumping out the windows) or 3) required that my children stayed with me during the activity and not run off. (at the time my kids and most of the ward were aged

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